Meeting of the Ways

 
Date:
September 24, 1983
Location:
San Francisco, CA
 
 
 
 

... (?) some what disdainful suspicious attitude of one another. I welcome the opportunity to come to this meeting. Because I want you to know that my senses that is we are engaged in a great spiritual revolution. But simultaneously I believe that those of you who are engaged in the spiritual revolution, revelation, practice, if you do not comprehend and take in the notion of struggle that the world is not one, that there will be many people who will disagree with you, that there will be many people for whatever reason who will be involved in oppression, I think you make a major mistake. You have a good deal to learn, not from just your own personal struggle, but you have a good deal to learn what it means to struggle against individuals who are acting in the role of the oppressor, and I would hope that we would have a genuine dialogue and experience of feeling and acting with regard to one another on that issue or whether you can truly achieve harmony in that twenty-five years. I settled for just peace and justice, thank you.

(Applause)

Panelist: It's really wonderful to be here, for somewhat the same reason that is perpetual. This is the first time we have been on a platform together and I think it's significant in several ways. On she has spent so many years working on how to avoid nuclear holocaust. And I spent the same number of years working on what it would be like if we survive. What it would be like if everything that we now know we can do, that potential in our society were to be actualized. Because it is my sense, so one of the factors of helping us overcome what it looks like a probable negative is to have a vision of a possible positive. Because it's been said over and over again that the image that we hold of ourselves becomes an actuality. And it is the truth today that we have innumerable images of destruction, of Armageddon, of war, of biosphere collapse. But if we look in society for any image at all of the other side of the equation, what society would be like if it was able to operate at optimum wellness using its social, personal, spiritual and technological capabilities. There is almost no image at all in society of that.

I started on this quest for positive image of the future in nineteen forty five when the atomic bomb fell. I was fifteen years old and I remember it was the time when I was just beginning to find out what I wanted to do in life. And when that bomb fell I knew it was impossible to think about the personal future of myself without wondering where the world was going that was good. Because if that bomb was going to destroy the world there was no way that any individual could possibly move forward to their own potential.

And the question arose in my mind that time and here is the following question.

What is the purpose of our power?

What is the purpose of science, technology, affluence?

What is the purpose of western civilization and ultimately what is the purpose of civilization itself?

Because we could see with the dropping of the atomic bomb which is only in the very beginning of the incredible power the destruction of modern society, you could see that on the one hand that power could lead to total destruction. But I felt and still do most deeply in my heart that there is a meaning for that power over and beyond destruction. Then this leading to something not simply good, but something magnificent, glory untold, a quantum leap for the human race. Because you see if you have a quantum leap of destructiveness potential in the system there is also a quantum leap of creativity in that system. So that we get question in mind what is the quantum link in the system, that the power might be for? I set up upon my quest. And after trying just about everything and I won't go into all the things, I tried, it didn't work. I came up with an idea, discovered an idea through many, many experiences that gave me the clue, the idea that gave me the clue to be answered to that question, what is the purpose of our power came from understanding the fantastic miracle of cosmic evolution.

(?) was probably my particular inspiration in this, I would like to take you on a fifteen billion year trip in three seconds. Start at the origin of creation about fifteen billion years ago. See yourself at the formation of earth, four and a half billion years ago. See yourself with the first cell three and a half million years ago. See yourself at the first animal life about eight hundred million years ago. See yourself with the dawn of human life two to three million years ago and now see yourself, starting in nineteen forty five, beginning to go around the loop again for another quantum leap of transformation. If you look at how nature transforms and how it transformed for fifteen billion years, what you see is long periods of incremental change leading up to system crisis, which actualizes potentials in the system, which through greater synthesis or synergy leads to radical leap of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . From molecule to cell, from single cell to complex multi-cellular animal, leap in consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . From animal to human far more complex brain, leap in consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . And it's my thesis that starting about five thousand years ago in Egypt, India, Greece and then (?), Islam, there came individuals on earth in the next state of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. , pending and approaching a new norm.

And that all up history, all of Homo sapien's life of fifty thousand years has been the story of the rise toward a new state of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. through increased complexity and integration leading at some point in history to a set of events that lead to radical transformation towards a new species. And it is my thought that nineteen forty five with the dropping of the atomic bomb marks the point of the turn of the spiral for humanity moving from the stage we are now in to the next stage. Now I won't have time to go into how we see the recurring pattern of over complexity and crisis. Actualizing potentials. But if you look at the set of another crisis on earth right now, limits to growth, population, pollution, resource depletion, inflation and nuclear. You see a crisis of crisis that cannot be resolved in its own terms. Even if we stop fighting and stop polluting and stop growing as I pointed out in the club of Rome book limits to growth. Even if we stopped everything it would not suffice. Because the power of creativity and growth is much too great to hold.

Now I would like to take a little glimpse of the potentialities now dormant in our system. Many of them already operating, which if actualized would in fact lead to a radical transformation as radical as the nuclear holocaust or more. Here are some of them. The first and most radical capability in the human race is the capacity for higher consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. itself. All throughout history we have had individuals in a state of cosmic, unitive, whole centered, God centered consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . Now millions and millions of us are moving in that direction. Not simply by idealism, but by the pressure of evolution itself. I think we are approaching critical mass of people like ourselves here who already are experiencing oneness and I think so the thing that makes the difference in moving towards the next stage of government has to be somewhere the possibility of our whole centered consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . Because if we have to (?) our self into the next stage with that amount of power it doesn't look good. So I must (?) consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. will rise towards the new whole, whole centered, God centered consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. as in the norm.

Secondly, if you look at our power in the space program, you see that we are on the threshold of becoming physically a universal species. Our little space shuttle is a bus to the infinite. In the next twenty to fifty years by the years two thousand and eight if we were to do it right and if we don't blow ourselves up, while our consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. is expanding, so is our physical environment. It is possible to restore this earth to preserve the environment here to limit growth here and to begin the exploration of an infinite universe.

There is no physical limit to the evolution of the human race if our consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. can become whole. Then look what we are learning in the field of health. If we can combine what we know about healing with what we are learning in advance medical technology and move towards optimum wellness and holistic health, you see the outlines of the self healing, self regenerating humans in a universal environment, in a state of expanded consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . Then add to that what we now know in the fields of information. Our intelligent machines or computers or cybernatics or robotics are actually the extension of the brain mind system, which if used in a state of whole centered consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. in a universal environment lead to the possibility of freeing the individual from subhuman work.

I can see the possibility of our children born, not even in the year 2008, but less time from that inheriting the possibility of a cosmic civilization. A civilization in which we could begin to tap what is said to be the eighty or ninety percent unused, untapped human potential. Putting all that together with a lot more what you see is the outline I believe of a species, co-creative with God. I believe it is true that we are created in the image of God. And I sense that what's fundamentally happening is a shift in the relationship between humans and God. We have been children of God, but because we are created in God's image we have inherited the power. We are approaching tree of life. And if we remain in self centeredness we will undergo some kind of Armageddon scenario, because we have to. But we have got a choice. I believe God put freedom in the system and what is that active freedom that we are capable of now. It has to be the kind of act that Patricia spoke about and it's so many millions I am speaking about. It's an act of joining. And the way we join at this stage the first level of it is a spiritual joining.

If we choose to do that in this generation, in this lifetime and begin the simple steps that are now implicit in to overcome hunger, to meet the educational needs of people, to begin to tap this tremendous activity of individuals and begin the exploration of inner and outer space, you see in our generation the shift point to a vision of a positive future so glorious that only the saints seers of the human race have had a clue about it. And the thing that has absolutely galvanized me recently is my conviction that we are at that choice point now and that it would go to our Armageddon or towards a co-creative species. In our lifetime and that we who have a chance to make a choice will make a difference for the entire world. Given that deep conviction I have all my life been a futurist, I have lectured, I have gone to meetings, I have gone to (?) I have written books, I have done everything I could think of and after my conversation with Patricia it's really you who did it to me.

It was last April, we spent a weekend Stinson beach, and she told me about the nuclear issue in depth. And I hadn't focused it, I hadn't wanted to focus on it and she pinned me down and I suddenly said to myself, "I have been responsible all my life but I thought someone else was in authority. Someone was in charge and I was helping." But when I talked to Patricia I realized that there is no authority whatsoever in that behavior pattern. And that I had to shift from responsibility to authority.

We have to shift from responsibility to authority. Meaning, authority for the acts that can save the world and due to a whole set of questions, I finally came up with unique idea and I see that man here in the audience who suggested it to me, Jack Baldwin. And here is the idea. I am going to run to be selected as the vice-presidential nominee on the democratic ticket in 1984.

(Applause)

Panelist: And you can ask me more about it later. My time is up.

(Applause)

Abdul Aziz Sait: After creating the universe God had a dream and in the dream God saw that God has created the universe and that only God (?) fourth time God said, "My God! I have created the whole universe and only I possess the secrets. Suppose something happens to me and I die..."

(Students' laughter...)

So God awakened and when God awakened, God said, "My God, I better do something about it." So God made a first far impulsive decision and God created woman and man. So that man and woman, become a surprise for the universe and the universe becomes a paradise for them. Then God (?) and God said, "Now I'll make the second domestic politics decision." And God took the keys of the secrets of the universe and said, "Keys, disappear." Disappeared forever. And then God said that every man and every woman, in every moment of their life recreate the universe. So what could be cannot proceed from a denial of what is. We are it. There is nothing out there. God created the universe, maybe because God loves stories and storytelling.

For the past twenty-seven years I have been engaged in what is described as a professor of international relations, both on the theoretical level, writing, researching, teaching and on the pragmatic level. Being involved in activities with governments and I have become convinced that the instruments, the theories, the ways that we have at our disposal, cannot deal with the problems and the challenges facing us. Cannot. I have become convinced that they cannot. That with the (?) we have, with the fears we have, that (?) come up. So that may begin by sharing with you a first open secret on one condition that you share it with everyone. That we do not have at this time in the best of our instrumentalities available to governments or available to scholars to deal with the problems of the universe. And when I say I want to share with you the first open secret, I have a younger son, he is now almost seven, he attends a catholic school, so he came one day and he said, this was when he was in the first grade, he said, "You know, today they talked about Jesus in school. Do you know him?"

I said, "Why do you ask me?"

"Well he said, (?) they said he was born close to where you were born."

I said, "Yes, I knew him."

He said, "How well did you know him?"

Well I said, "Pretty well."

He said, "Did you play soccer together?"

I said, "Yes."

He said, "What position did he play?"

I said, "Well, he kept changing positions."

(Students' laughter...)

"He never stayed in the same place."

He said, "Really?"

I said, "Yes."

He said, "Thank you."

I said, "Son, I want to tell you something that Jesus told me, he told me a secret. But he told me that he will tell it to me on condition I tell to everyone. And I tell it you on condition you tell it to everyone."

He said, "Sure, promise, open secret."

I said, "Jesus told me that he had many names that they kept changing his names. Sometimes they called him BuddhaBuddha An enlightened one; founder of the Buddhist faith. , sometimes Mohammed, sometimes Abraham, they kept changing his name."

So when we think of peace what comes to me first and I mentioned it twenty six years, after about ten or fifteen years of being engaged in teaching international relations, one day I went to a classroom, I had one hundred freshmen, fresh persons, students, men and women. I looked and told them, I said, "Let me ask you a question. Whose international politics do you want me to teach you.?"

And there was a blank on their faces. Well, I said, "Whose?"

They said, "What do you mean?"

Well, I said, "Do you want me to teach you the international politics of the Americans, of the Russians, of the Chinese, of the poor, of the rich, of the white, of the black? What came to me at that time that I have been involved in teaching international relations for so many years. But I have been teaching the international relation that I had been taught. So I asked my students as their first assignment to go and read the history of the world and not less than two hundred pages and come the next week and they did come next week and I asked the first one, "What was the most important historical event?"

And the student said, "The sacking of Baghdad by the Mongolians."

And this kept going on and one after the other, they kept mentioning the important historical events. Then I said, "Now let's talk about the important historical persons as it is."

And they kept mentioning Hitler, Mussolini, Napoleon and this kept going on. And it became clear to me after listening to these students that the history of the world is written about empires, but not about people, not about villages and then I mentioned that to my students because I was teaching a course on human race. Because we have not really read the history of villages of people what has been happening to people. Then the second week I said, "Now go and read (?) the psychology of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. or go and read the teachings of (?), any similar book that (?) different things."

So they went, they came back and I think I told you the story, when they came back, I wanted a blackboard, I said, "Today we will begin the first formal presentation of the course. The title of the course is 'Introduction to world politics.'

I said, "Causes of world war two."

They satSat Existence; what is; the subtle essence of Infinity itself. quiet, I said, "Course number one, imperialism..." I kept mentioning them, imperialism, colonialism, racism, sexism, everything. I kept mentioning all of them, everything I could think about. Then I put Hitler, put Mussolini, FDR, Jews, they put Jews. Then I said, "Bicycle riders."

And then one, of course (?) on left, (?) looked as (?) with a puzzlement in her eyes, she said, "Why bicycle riders?"

I said, "Why Jews?"

Then we started talking about the reality. Whose international politics, whose reality, because I have been raised in the school of (?) or power politics. My professors told me that that is the real politic power politics. And I recall one day, I asked my professor, "How do you define power politics?"

He said, "They are politics of reality."

But where I came from, they are politics of reality. Internally I know that what I believed (?) what I see as reality. Culturally I know that my culture has hypnotized me deeply regarding how I see reality. And when he told me that the real politic were power politics, were politics of reality, then the story started unfolding before me again. What I am sharing with you is that about peace. One perspective that keeps coming to me is the question of faith about peace. Faith, F A I T H. And what I am attempting to say here, when I speak about faith related to peace, we have to become aware that peace is possible. We have to believe that's possible. That's what (?), that peace is possible and related to faith, the issue of faith is a issue of time and space. And not only it is possible but when the question arises possible when, possible now, possible here, possible here and possible now.

For me it (?), I cannot deal with peace by merely responding and operating on the level of disarmament I have to do this. On the level of hunger I have to do that, you all have to do that. On the level of governments we have to do that. All of these things have to be done. But simultaneously we have to deal with terms of peace on the level of the crisis of the mind, there is a level of the crisis of mind and the level of this connection between the mind and the heart. My sense is that the divine will has not abdicated after creating the universe. Because what has happened in the west, for the last one hundred, two hundred years, the proposition has evolved in the west somehow the divine will left after creating the universe. For me the divine will is well and alive. And when I think about east and west I am not talking about the geographic location but for me to divine will the other side of divine will is human responsibility.

In a situation, in an environment, in a society where there is the absence of divine will and the presence only of human responsibility as we have in the west, in the western tradition as it has evolved, the energies of society become misdirected. On the other hand the society is where there is divine will but absence of human responsibility as in much of the east, energies become dissipated. And for me east and west are not geographic again, each one of us has east and the west.

So when I speak of the crisis of the minds, I am really calling for a preparation, for the celebration of the union of the mind and the heart. And the celebration of the union of the mind and the heart manifest itself when we experience the humanization of the divine and the consecration of the human, when we experience, when we begin to remove the (?) and experience the divine in human form and when we remove the base, we not only experience the dividing human forms, in human form, we also discover that the human is divine. That the human has that (?). And hence for me as someone who has been trying to interpret the pattern, because the pattern that I have shared with you is soul and myself agree on much of the path and because we are more or less in similar places in terms of how we see the world. But many of our colleagues do not agree with us. They do not agree with us, not because the data they see is different from the data we see. We are all looking at the same data, but how they interpret their patterns differs from ours and their interpretation is the difference of their pattern has to do with what it is we have been talking about, what it is that I have heard, those of us we are talking about.

So for me then when I speak of the crisis of the mind, not only we have to deal with, with hunger, poverty, disarmament, governments, but we have to deal with the crisis of (?) it's a question of awakened (?). It's a question of awakening. So it's a question of faith, it's a question of awakening, it's a question of becoming aware of the contacts and awarenessAwareness The pure nature of existence; the power to be consciously conscious without an object or need. A fundamental property of the soul and true self; it is Kundalini as it folds and unfolds itself in existence. of contacts, a discovery, a discovery that the world does not merely consist of people and things but there is a pattern that connects everyone. That there is a relationship, that and for me it is an issue of experiencing an emotional and intellectual and a spiritual revolution simultaneously, so that I begin to see, I begin to experience first hand my biological life, the biological facts of my being, the spiritual facts of my being, the intellectual facts of my being. The oneness, the inter-relatedness. So it is for me then as it has been said before a question of awakening it is a question of dealing with that awakening. And there is an old song that captures that,

(Sings a song.)

Awaken my beloved, do not sleep, for the seeker of truth never sleeps. Awaken my beloved do not sleep, for the sky and the earth never sleep, awaken my beloved do not sleep, then (?) goes through all the prophets. All their prophecies, then the song concludes, awaken my beloved do not sleep, for there are no sins to be beholden, there are no sins to be experienced except one sin and that sin is for lovers to sleep, because lovers must never sleep, lovers must never sleep. And then it was said, it was said by a small child, when the small child was asked, "Where is your homeland?"

And the child said, "If my love for you makes you forget the past, and your heart can see only the moment then come to me, innocence is my nationality, simplicity is my identity, it's given only to those who stay to build the new homeland."

Assalam valaykum!

(Applause)

Monitor: Now let's just have a moment of silence and let the thoughts percolate a bit and we are going to ask the panelists to converse with each other and then we will be taking questions and I hope you will be having some cards made available soon. Yes, if you want the card raise just raise your hand, and it's period now and we will come to you. Let's just have a moment.

Thank you, I know you are all wondering if I got that quote together yet and I am going to share it with you; just imagine what could be if we could be what we should be. Very simple form of many of the comments that have been coming to us. Imagine what could be, if we would be, what we should be. Now we are going to have conversing, do you feel like you can teach other well enough or would you like to turn your seats in somewhat, you can also handover the microphones and please how you want to speak.

(Conversation)

All right folks, if you would, let's reconvene. (?) that kick us off with a... I am sure of (?) remark.

Guest: Well, I am wearing a buckle which is the tree of life, I come from a (?) Jewish family, I have just done my forty seventh (?) and if we want me to do, (?) which is the (?) night prayer for welcoming the Sabbath bride, I can do that for you. That's all by prelude because I am about to be what we call (?). That's a person who shows the reverence for religion. But I now mean it in a rather serious way and the reason I asked to talk first is that the four other people and myself I think have a problem with regard to both (?) and maybe belief.

There has been a good deal of discussion up here about Divinity in God. And I feel that what is necessary for the next twenty-five years to avoid Armageddon and to bring about the positive vision that (?) was talking about is the spiritual revolution. But I find it difficult to utilize the terminology, the style, the form of entry into the problem that is being used by my fellow panelists with regard to the use of the Divinity. Indeed I find even, I agree that we have very many things in common, looking (?) I disagree with (?) years. But to hold your main values, who is through the notion of Divinity, who do not see any unfolding towards some co-creative, are really decent, marvelous people and to the extent to which we are trying to build a genuine global movement I now ask it as a question.

See I said to you one of my questions, one of my four questions is that (?). One of my four questions is, how do the people who are in spiritual transformation and political transformation interact. I realize that sometimes when I speak before this kind of audience, my kind of using, if I used to teach (?) analysis or IR concepts or political science theory, if would have gone across with absolute not that you would not have understood it, you would say, it's totally irrelevant. And in a way I agree with you, we are trying to change to put it in our terminology the paradigm, but when you come across with the Divinity and you come across with this revelation and this coming together, you turn a whole (?) and we have got to together.

Panelist: (----).

Abdul Aziz Sait: (?) What I am saying... Let me very quickly, I think (?) we are (?) is in words. In the sense that four, a very quick story about (?), (?) in Algeria, this is a story (?) early twentieth century and it is told by Martin Links in one of his books, (?) was known in Algeria to be one of the important Sufi leaders. And there was a young French medical doctor who had migrated to Algeria, wanted to meet with him, but he could never meet with him because he was informed that this (?) doesn't see foreigners. Many months later the French medical doctor received the messenger from (?) asking him to see (?) because (?) was sick so the French doctor goes to see (?)Aleve and they become friends and after many years one day the French medical doctor looks at (?), said, "(?), there is one thing that is deep within me, that is bothering me, I want to tell you about it."

He said, "What's that doctor?"

He said, "What you don't know and I have been waiting for you to ask me is that I am an atheist, I don't believe in God. And you have given me so much of your time, so much of your love."

When (?) heard the doctor say that he stood up, went and kissed the feet of the atheist doctor. So doctor said, "How come you are kissing my feet?"

He said, "The main reason I sent to see you many, many years ago was because I wanted to meet you. I heard in Algeria that there is a young French medical doctor who helps the poor, without taking money from them, who goes to their houses, who gives them gifts, who gives them money and now that you tell me you are an atheist, I kiss your feet, I have been meditating and contemplating for seventy years, eighty years, how did you learn how to do it? How did you learn how to do it..."

YB: I'll explain to you right now, God is under attack. God is under attack, so the spiritual people. We who practice and teach about God, we are not totally God and somewhere we are dishonest. And our dishonesty is the handicap of the intellectual propaganda if all the men of God, rabbis, murshid, murids, students, teachers, yogisYogi One who has attained a state of yoga (union) where polarities are mastered and transcended. One who practices the disciplines of yoga and has attained self-mastery. , swamisSwami Master. , priest, father, padres, honestly teach spirituality we would not have needed this conference at all.

The problem is that when I pass through these roads, I see synagogues, I see temples, I see mosques, even my ashramsAshram , Aashram A community of practitioners who come together to live conscious, mindful lives. are so many that I don't know how many they are. It's not untrue. There are eight major religions, there are total twenty-two religions, there are more saints than anybody can count, more religious people than ever can bother, you can ask for a person who sell you sandwiches and there will be distance, but there is hardly any distance between two religious leaders or two religious teachers and all that. Basically we are all religious.

Side B

... And there was a very barbarous man, abusively yelling and screaming, I am a holy man, I can't repeat those dirty calls he was calling on all those people, but he was admitted as a first man into the heaven. Everybody protested, they said, "What is this? We are the cream of the God and we are going by checking our identity and this," they used word bastard, but my apologies, I can't use it, but you understand it.

(Students' laughter...)

"Is being admitted over and above us." And the angel was asked and the angel said, "All these sixty-four years he lived on the earth, he abused God. And all the sixty-four years you lived, you never seriously abused God once. All God understand is the attention, language is the earth's problem, we in the heavens do not understand that. This man paid total attention to God, therefore this man has preference over you, you go through your regular check up and he is admitted."

Problem here is if the mankind could have taught the science of reality as a religion with upper honesty of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. and with integrity of truthfulness we would have never had the first world war, the second world war and the third world war.

Patricia (?): I would like to make an observation about it. I think there is some truth to the fact that the human species got disconnected in consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. from God at the beginning.

YB: Even now.

Patricia (?): Yeah, I mean at the beginning if you take the story of the Garden of Eden as the symbolic story that somewhere the big brain creature grew up in an environment and had some shock which caused us to have an increased intelligence with the illusion of separation from the creation, from nature and from God. And every spiritual individual that come in has come into correct the defect to reconnect something that should not have been separated in the first place.

YB: Don't you agree that we connect, we correct the defect and create another defect side by side?

Patricia (?): So far, that's correct...

YB: Jesus said, don't worship the statues and I have never seen one church where his statue is not on the door to meet me.

Patricia (?): I know, but here is the drama, because we have now inherited so much power, the defect becomes lethal.

YB: Hallelujah! That I agree.

Patricia: And there has to be, if we are going to survive some way in which we reconnect relatively fast, and when I use the word spirituality, for me it's an evolution of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. to be aware of the patterns of creation. It is in the religion, it is an awarenessAwareness The pure nature of existence; the power to be consciously conscious without an object or need. A fundamental property of the soul and true self; it is Kundalini as it folds and unfolds itself in existence. of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. .

YB: If atheist, atheist denies God and remember by denying God more the times than a meditating yogiYogi One who has attained a state of yoga (union) where polarities are mastered and transcended. One who practices the disciplines of yoga and has attained self-mastery. . Question is, it's a matter of what directions we take. I think the professor can tell us how deep atheist is, because when he was speaking he was referring to God as an atheist more in the very polite sense than in my talk I refer to God as a positive, one to one basis. My personal feeling is, if we all wake up to the fact that we are creatures and there is a creation and we leave this security of defense mechanism of the world to be as the world doesn't need any defense. It is being...

I am asking one question to all of you, how many gallons of petrol or gasoline we need to rotate the earth everyday? It is rotating, if God can rotate the earth, it can take care of our routine. I think we are not in trouble. We want war for one reason. We want to showoff. But now the war has become there shall be no showoff after this war.

Panelist: There are two separate questions. One question is in order to bring about the change that will bring into being the vision of (?) talks about that people have to reconnect to something that human beings have lost. How he demonstrates that that's the case it's difficult for me to see, but that's question one.

And question two is a pure pragmatic question. Whether that is correct or not, what is the way you get people who are engaged in transforming the world through political activity to come along with you? What is the (?) of persuasion? Those are the two separate questions, and the first one I am less convinced than Barbara is that that's the case although I myself believe that my own motivation comes from others call spirituality. And then the second one I think we do a lousy job. I don't think (?) does a good job of talking to each other in the way is congenial or make friends or get little own comradeship and moving forward and that's the point I was trying to raise.

Another Panelist: Part of my experience with you is, couple of your points is when I meant you are quite correct about language and I think we have to talk about this. While when, I invite you to my home, or you invite me to your home, when I go home, I can go back to the back door or the window, when I invite someone to my house, they have to come through the front door, meaning (?) we have to translate what it is about peace in a language that is acceptable and translatable. To that extent I am fully aware about what you are saying. Well the other thing that I am sharing with you this on. Like you, as you said earlier, we both can talk very pragmatically about step by step governance but I really differ with you, I may differ, I am not sure whether we differ on this or not. I have a feeling that in my experience with the west and I have lived in the west for thirty years. Many western intellectuals have problems with God, because for them God is an idea, it's a faith.

In my tradition God is a (?) I tell you. God is not a faith it's not an idea. And hence I agree with you. A good number of men and women in their transformation movement are really agnostic, they really don't feel very comfortable with the idea of God, because for them God is a faith, God is an idea, but when we begin that with another perspective, that's what I was trying to share with you but I am in full agreement with (?) what you are saying (?) that we have to begin to translate what you are saying in a language acceptable.

YB: I have a question, I need clarification. In the east God cannot be denied, it's not a idea, it's a reality. In the west God is an idea can be accepted and can be denied. But east had a war and west had a war, what is going on? Please explain.

Panelist: Well, you see, again east and west are not geographic. East and west at any given time dominate in one person and dominate in the systems of that person.

YB: I know my west is Japan, because I live in Los Angeles, no problem. My east is...

Panelist: ... Hence, when we speak about east and west...

YB: No, no, why the eastern mind, which is thousands of years old, which cannot deny God. I have walked among them, I have lived among them, I have talked with them, they talk so sweet, so beautiful, so..., but they have a...

Panelist: That I was trying to share myself, when I speak about divine will and human responsibility. In the absence of human responsibility there is a direction of that divine will, that's what is my experience of that . That's why war. Now why war now, that's a different story but why war throughout history, yes (?). (?) there was been a separation, for me I cannot fully accept the language used in the west about self-realization, self realization for me is a meaningless term, for me what (?) God discovers self (?) through me. That's how I feel and that's the human responsibility.

YB: I understand, that's the finest thought west will learn in other two thousand years. What is America? Two hundred years, it's a crawling baby, it doesn't know how to change its diapers. What is Russia? Forget about that. I am talking of those civilization which has thousands and thousands, I went to Burma, they gave me seven days visa. I saw people meditating in stillness of absoluteness that I could figure out in that remote area there is a some man meditating, I located him. With that beacon of his meditationMeditation Dhyan. It is a process of deep concentration or merger into an object or a state of consciousness. Meditation releases reactions and unconscious habits and build the spontaneous and intuitive link to awareness itself. but when I talked about him, he started talking about the price of the rice. And it totally shocked me. What I am trying to understand if one of the panelist can guide me, I want to ask a question. What is happening to the west or east is not the problem, what is happening to us, why as human beings as a race we are not total honest?

Lady panelist: I really think it has to do with the evolution of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . Taking that evolutionary spiral, Homo sapiens is still quite young. The whole human species is only fifty thousand years old.

YB: Quite a age.

Panelist: It's quite young as far as species go. And we have a lot of untapped potential.

YB: Madam vice-president, listen to this. You tell me that we are very young, then we should be very alert, we should be very learning, then we should not fight.

Lady panelist: Oh! Well, we are alert and children fight a lot.

YB: This fight is going to cost us total self.

Lady panelist: That's it, that's why we have to grow up fast. That's really what it's about. (?) of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. , I think saw one of the possibilities comes from the (?) of hundred monkeys, the (?) seal, the consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. feels that it's been saturated over the centuries, that at some point there is sufficient consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. to make it more accessible to all of us. I think that's happening.

Panelist: More consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. is not the same thing as God or Divinity. Nor that is... See there is a rhetoric of persuasion which goes through whether or not we are going to reconnect with where we began. That's difficult for people who are going out to get (?), let's say the (?) navy base. Not that they are radical pacifists doing all kind of things but if we are going to form a movement... I want groups that do that, to be more congenial to listening to this kind of language. And to be more sympathetic to it. But I really am concerned as long as I travel these twenty-seven hundred miles each way and spending only a bright evening with you, I am very much concerned that we not exclude people from the way we think, feel and act about genuinely dismantling militarism and somehow I find the language that you have been using uncongenial even to myself and I (?). That is this (?) involved in it and if that, madam vice president, I am going to give you my votes but I hope that you know, how we are going to get a hundred million others or thirty-five million... And I am saying, I think that we have that difficulty. And in this place here, when you are thinking about the way you use your meditationMeditation Dhyan. It is a process of deep concentration or merger into an object or a state of consciousness. Meditation releases reactions and unconscious habits and build the spontaneous and intuitive link to awareness itself. and I think we have to meditate and mobilize, pray and protest, (?)...

(Applause)

Somehow they have to go together in a way that doesn't seem (?) and I...

Lady panelist: I think you are exactly right, in fact the whole reason to bring (?) a positive (?) into the political arena, is to make a synthesis of spirit and action.

Audience: (?).

Lady Panelist: Gandhi seems to me the synthesis of this and he certainly with a religious...

YB: No, Gandhi did a wonderful job. When the elders talk, children must learn the mannerism to shut up. And that is not, this is a panel discussion in which we panelists are there and you are the humble audience and we are going to do very neurotic things which you must have the patience to watch. And it is all intentional by the way, we are not fighting. That was the agreement done upstairs that we will attack each other without involving self respect and ego. So please let us do our job for your benefit.

(Applause)

Lady panelist: I was just making the point so I think that I was in jail this summer in civil disobedience and it was an absolutely holy place to be. There was... first of all there was a absolute synthesis of politics and spirituality and the work shops that (?) sisters here they were (?) I mean (?) on Gandhi, Sufi dancing, yoga, Marx's analysis of the arms race and it seems to me, I take, I am very religious, the word God (?) when you start (?) institutional, it's religion, there have been more holy wars or unholy wars, I don't think that's the issue, I think Gandhi had a lot of answers, I think it's whether you are non-violent or not. And that non-violence in the sense of courage in the service of compassion, and that whether you believe in God or not is really not the issue, whether you are humanist or God believer, look at (?) majority, you invoke the name God, but I don't think they bring peace on earth. So there is some synthesis here and Gandhi had more answers than anyone that I have come across and he was the fusion of the political and the spiritual.

Panelist: Well, I accept I mean, I would totally accept that statement. I happen to bring a lot of Gandhi with me on this particular trip and he knows when to use God as a (?) and he knows when to leave it out and when he is truth seeking and when he is engaged in political activity and non-violence he calls on people to show courage in the faith of danger, but it's truth seeking inside himself then I guess we (?) with this too long because there are other people who should get in on the act and they should become our oppressors as we are oppressing them.

Monitor: Yes, this is actually the turning point right now. We are going to take the moment to shift to another mode of being and (?) has agreed to lead moments meditationMeditation Dhyan. It is a process of deep concentration or merger into an object or a state of consciousness. Meditation releases reactions and unconscious habits and build the spontaneous and intuitive link to awareness itself. one must take advantage of this to have a commercial break and tell you that this panel has been both audio taped and video taped as was the morning panel and in fact the number of the workshop of the day and those interested, especially in high speed copies of the audio tapes which are immediately available to see the audio people at the far end near the entrance and the registration desk and those of you who are interested in knowing or networking to have access to the video tapes of the panel should see the registration people and sign up and we will be in touch with each other. So now this moment.

Lady panelist: Just like to make a moment, relax and visualize our (?) here and feel your own experience of love for each other and for the world as you are experiencing it in your heart now. And feel yourself as a being of light. Do allow the light that's in you to connect with the light that is in each person in this room. Now lift slightly off our planet and catch a glimpse of the whole United States Of America. Imagine right now, individuals just exactly like you and me feeling in their heart the experience of love of each other. Imagine how many of us there are right now in this country and experience us as light. Slowing (?) and link me. You see the whole nation (?) with light. Now lift further and begin gently to orbit the planet and as we pass over this beautiful blue (?), seeing Europe, and each individual of light linking, see the middle east, individual by individual in each country linking and linking across country. Go to the soviet union, see individual Russian, experience their own feeling of love, linking, lights connecting all over Europe, experience it in china, in Australia, in New Zealand, in Asia. For one moment in time let us hold the image of every human being on earth who expresses love linking in a mass movement of the heart. And experience that connecting soul deeply that we begin to actually beat our hearts together in unison for a moment in time. The heartbeats enter into this earth. And a new feel is felt. An irresistible bond is forged. And the people of this earth take a stand together for the love of life. Here (?) in the background over the whole planet and experience us taking the stand together and hold that image. There are in us (?) us now. Crazy (?) man and that (?) can change the consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. of the world.

Come back down back here to California into this room. Hold that image as we open our eyes and continue to feel the links of light around this planet as a present reality. Gradually open your eyes and come back to the room. Thank you.

Panelist: It is our intention to close in approximately fifteen minutes, so some questions have been addressed to the panelists and I am going to share them around and we will go one by one as (?). So (?).

Panelist: (?) here the first one that I have is asking me to repeat the (?) of (?) my love for you takes you out of this world and makes you forget the past and your heart is only the moment, then come to me. Innocence is our nationality, simplicity is our identity, it's given only to those who stay (?) homeland.

Second question from you, how do you see a role of man especially (?) and the peace movement. (?) man in this (?). Well, why don't you answer that question from the perspective of manner, I have the third one. How has your spiritual growth colored your conception of history and what historical evidence do you see to support the transformation of human consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . One quick comment on the question; for me history is not reality, God is reality. For me change is not reality, God is reality. And hence that's my perspective that question as to the comment on transformation of consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. . There are two ways of looking at that, one way is the way Barbara looks at it and has discussed it (?) very effectively and inspired manner. Another way would be to say that absence of truth is not truth of absence. If you want to discuss it on the quantitative measure (?) you could do it that way too. And finally I wanted just clear one thing with respond since I have a question on here about (?) about history.

A little boy shared with me four open secrets and I want to share them with all of us. He said to me, secret number one, open, I tell it to every one, God is weird. (?) that means everything is connected with everything as it goes.

He said second open secret, "Satan is weird."

I said, "What that means?"

"If mind is weird and that means the minds can connect everything from everything."

I said, "Good."

He said, third open secret, "The universe is a baby."

I said, "(?)"

He said, "We love, we take care of it, never abandon it, love is (?) because it's a baby."

I said, "Thank you."

And that (?) fourth open secret. He said, "Enlightenment can be (?) any moment at any point, any place."

I said, "Thank you very much."

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Barbara: One of these questions I got is, "Who would you like to be running with?"

Well, I myself state briefly what I am running for instead of I am running with. I created a campaign for a positive future and what we are doing is developing a vehicle through which the various people programs, policies in multiple groups are working for positive change, can correlate and surface as a political force for the first time in American history. We are creating positive future centers around the country, we now have fifteen where core groups are forming to network and network in every region of this country and invite people to come together to identify what works. Our slogan is "What on earth works?"

And it's based on the initiatives already going on, which if amplified would provide a positive alternative for the future and proposing that we create an office of the future in (?) office of the vice-presidency. It's really an expansion of that world to include a continuing focus on innovation, creativity, leading edge, invincible solutions and reconciliation. Now the one I would like to run with is the one (?) like all that. And they really remain to be seen, my sense is that most political leaders would like to have more other sense, other constituency for long (?) positive goals and (?)solutions and innovations. Very much (?) Patricia. What has been lacking is the constituency.

Our task in the next ten months is to surface as a the most vital constituency in the country and then we will have all political leaders working more along our directions. However far I get in my efforts to become vice-president if you can manifest this constituency we can change history in nineteen eighty four, because it's a time of quantum change.

Secondly, I was asked how does spiritualism address the needs of the people suffering today. That's an excellent question and my sense is that every problem today is long range, complex and also immediate. There has to be a multiple approach, there has to be immediate emergency help where it's needed. But if we don't do now what we give is a positive future in five to ten years the suffering will never be over. So we need a both end approach. We need immediate measures to meet immediate needs such as hunger. But if we can also act now so there would be no hunger in twenty years from now and futurism is that part of our action which gives us an opportunity to act now to prevent the suffering in the future. It is preventative social action.

And finally I guess everyone would have asked this, from your particular perspective with the positive future how do you see the role of men or emerging role of men in this peace movement or forth for the future. I see that the evolution of woman is the emancipation of man. And I believe that as women move from their role of dependency and maximum reproduction and have the energy to give all that creativity that has gone into reproducing the species into the co-design, co-creation and development of the community in the world, that is going to free men from their role of having to care for and serve women as they have had to do, when we were having ten and twelve babies and they were working eighteen hours a day to survive. So as we free ourselves up our creative role in the world men will be liberated and have an opportunity to develop their own sensitivity into (?) and feel inside. And I will see eventually women becoming (?) masculine and feminine balance, men doing the same, moving towards co-creative partnership for the transformation of the world.

(Applause)

Panelist: Two brief questions. One (?) humanness rather than human is, I take this a kind of political rhetoric question and I would agree that if we could change the words national security, the human security, and if human (?) doing that, I would be in favor of promoting that. And I think it's crucial that we begin to take in our own hands the notion of our own security and whether the term is human security or people security, we stop using the term national security I think.

(Applause)

How do you calculate the chances of a nuclear war badly? I think there is a highlight when we heard that there will be a nuclear blast sometime in the next twenty years by a highlight (?) I mean one out of ten, some place in the world. If you ask me (?) my friends (?) I think they would disagree with me but I am giving you now, (?) if you ask me, do I think that there is going to be (?) nuclear holocaust? My answer to that question is that the likelihood of that occurring is somewhere between, this is subject to probability, okay. It's somewhere between one out of five thousand to one out of ten thousand. Now that sounds like, I don't think it's a very likely possibility.

Well, the fact is I don't believe that the exchange, that there will be a spasm exchange of weapons between the mega super powers and I don't see it beginning anywhere else in the world they would escalate into that scenario that's believable. Having said that, a five thousand to one or ten thousand to one chance give them the (?) with (?) due to the human race I think everybody should work to prevent this. It's the calculated risk we have to take into account. Yes, the likelihood of occurring isn't very high but damn it all, if it does occur it will be so enormously harmful to the species and to the biosphere, I think we should be putting all of our efforts into it.

(?): There is a one general question that I wanted to (?) and this will be the last. Karl Marx always asked who, what powerful class or group will carry out your good idea. If there is no such base of support how will it happen.

Panelist: (----).

Patricia: I am still mulling away with (?) I hope you are right about one in five thousand. My guts tell me that (?) radical change is about one in two. When I was born there was not a single nuclear weapon on the face of this earth and I am not that ancient. There are fifty thousand right now, by the year two thousand and eight there will be seventy five countries with the capacity to build a bomb. We are now building first strike weapons that make nuclear war much more likely because it puts the (?) decide the goal first. And it's just a gut feeling that my son (?) my age and thus we get very active and get acted soon. So while I hope (?) is right desperately, I find (?) to close this panel on that note because I think it gives us full sense of optimism and what I think the optimism resides in us, looking at in the (?) and putting the (?) of our being into a (?) what I think is much greater risk of danger. And it's (?) I would like to close on.

(Applause)

YB: Fourteen years ago I came to United States. There is hardly any corner I have not heard of. I have talked to millions of people and millions of people in one way or the other talk to me. I do not feel that ideally and sensitively or wisely anybody wants the atomic war. I think very few people are sitting here we are very activist that we don't want to stop the nuke. I think those who are making the nuke are also willing to stop it but the very fact the insanity they are unable to stop it gives me the idea that it is going to be, what it is going to be. And it is on its way. And the very fact that today this hall is not even full, in spite of the fact people have worked very hard and the only thing I was given was that there were two, three conferences on this issue anyway. This is basically honesty. It's not an issue. It's a matter of my child melting right before me like an ice cream cone. It is a idea that this earth will not be (?).

The very fact that we are not sensitive to the fact, though we know, the panelists know, you all know, the man who is going to clean this street tomorrow, he knows and the president Reagan knows. Nancy definitely knows.

(Students' laughter...)

That this nuclear war, that we can destroy Russia, soviet union about twenty-eight times over and they can destroy us fourteen times over, totally means that there is not going to be any existence. But we are not stopping. The problem which I want to address to you is we are not stopping. Then I believe when husband and wife do not stop argument there is a possibility of the blow out of the blues and whatever you know, it goes on to something... It may end up having a dinner later. But I definitely know something happens. I mean there maybe only left Siberia and we may have northern territories of Canada left, I am not worried about that and we may become very friendly but fact is, this is a honest fact. If I am wrong correct me. We are not stopping. And I don't see any stop. I am not negative, I am not positive, my honesty tells me that if something does not stop, it will work. And we are not stopping.

The only thing which can stop is if thousand people everyday in Russia, in Moscow, in Red Square and thousand people in Washington go on a fast unto death and if we can add thousands, I am talking of the Gandhian way, and we add thousand people everyday, strong enough who can afford not to eat. And when this way we will give ahuti, ahuti is sacrificial thing to the fire we give. We give this ahuti, Gandhian way, non-violent life to the life, I think Gandhian way can work and we can protect. Because Gandhi learnt this non-violence from the Amritsar sakha. You have seen that story.

Jallianwala Bagh, the first thing which we had a British, there was a religious garden called GuruGuru That which takes us from ignorance to knowledge; from darkness, gu, to light, ru. It can be a person, a teaching, or in its most subtle form - the Word. ka bagh, from which for the Golden Temple wood used to come and somehow craziness prevailed like madness, the British said, "You have no right to get the wood."

The Sikhs said, "We have the right to get the wood."

And they said, "Well, come and get it."

So band of five went to get the wood and they started beating and lathi charging and shooting and running them under the horses till it became a whole institution of non-violent movement and finally the British empire first time allowed to get the wood from that garden. Mahatma Gandhi from that day onwards practiced, Dandi march was that, Jallianwala Bagh in Amritsar was that, and this is... people have to rise today, you should have reasoned yesterday to stop this madness both sides are saying we don't want to build nuke, we don't want to war nuke. Just now I learned the president of the USSR saying, 'I want to give an open invitation, let us do this, let us stop this. President Reagan,' I think they both are lying. You agree with me? I think they are telling us we want to stop it, they are telling (?) make such a nuke which I have not to press the button, it flies automatically.

Things are not right, you know it, I know it, we know it. I don't know how we are sleeping. For the lovers not to sleep is the law and I am going very disheartened today that we all have... I think if this meeting could have been there, whole San Francisco would have come and we would have not gone today to any bar, any restaurant, any place, we would have filled all this area up to this golden gate. I am very grassroot practical person. I think we would have shaken something.

Lady panelist: That's what I think we should do in nineteen eighty four. I am really interested in what kinds of act should mobilize millions of people to take this stand together. (?) the same feeling you do that we have to take the stand together that's so powerful that it will change and we have to do it this year. I mean there is no reason to wait.

YB: Professor is right that we are bifurcated, we have to have different language, we have to speak differently, we have to learn change our different (?), we have to stop this thing holier and thou business and we have to do lot of things to reach a common man to just let him know. I am going to propose... Just now I was telling the business wise. Let us make ice cream and on the cone we should make ice cream not that scoop, but make that thing which can go in ice cream and shape it like a innocent baby and put it on the cone and serve to people. And on the cone it should be written nuke will melt us like this ice cream. Something funny.

Monitor: I am going to propose that we take a stand now and stand in silence for a moment, (?) hold hands. I hope this can be a moment of the dedication to all of us. There is couple of announcements. I just want to remind you again.

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