Healers Talk - Nutritional Counselng and Therapy

May 12, 1983
Chicago, IL

Student: ... Perhaps the most effective and basic approach to man's combating health problems including alcohol and drug addiction can be solved through use in nutritional counseling and therapies. I would now like to introduce to you my first speaker Director YogiYogi One who has attained a state of yoga (union) where polarities are mastered and transcended. One who practices the disciplines of yoga and has attained self-mastery. Bhajan, spiritual education of 3HO foundation two Tucson Arizona.

YB: Twenty minutes to speak?

Student: Yes, twenty minutes.

YB: You have to understand why we take drugs, and why we get sick, and why we develop disease. There is no reason that you put in this body wrong things and you get right results. I myself going through lot of sicknesses under control doesn't make any difference but they are there and answer is simple I should stop flying. I cannot fly three hundred days a year and keep my body intact, it's not logically, reasonably possible, but we are in the modern world, today the world is around us and we feel we got the best of it. Truth is we got the worst of it. Tension, stress, insecurities. We are totally inflicted by loneliness, lack of trust, lack of faith, lack of relationship, man has been never such a yo-yo in his entire creation. We are habitual liars, we are professional cheats, we deceit our best friends, we lie to our best people, and then over and all we want to justify ourselves that we are the saints.

(Students: Laughter.)

And this situation in the mankind is at the top of his worse now. We cannot actually live with ourselves and when that stage reaches we want to drown ourselves in something and one avenue for that is the drugs.

There is a x-amount of energy, there is a x-amount of time, the energy has to be spread through that time to live, but when we do not know that we are always in a position either to accommodate ourselves with nicotine, that is called smoking, with coffee same thing, with alcohol same thing, and then it is not satisfactory we go on to higher drugs and there can be drugs like PCP, is that true?

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YB: Which you cannot come out of damage, it doesn't matter how many therapies you do. You cannot come out of the damage by Marijuana, doesn't matter what you intend to do by ordinary method.

When I came to United States I saw the state of people and their justification for ruining their lives I call it, and I started working. We didn't have a grant, we didn't have anything, we started our centers, we started helping people, and we said one thing, "If food is unfulfilling then person needs something else for fulfilling." So if we can change the food and give them the potential strength they will be all right. So we ran experiments, experiment came in Washington post where we were successful, every paper in the country carry our stories of success. Tucson is our resident center where we concentrate on it, but we believe all disease come to you, dis-ease uneasiness of life comes to you from lack of good food, all diseases can go away from the good food.

As far as drug taking is concerned you can be a potential for a drug deduction when you are three year old. You can be totally graduate in it when you are seven year old and you can be very sure what you will be doing when you are eleven year old, it depends upon how you have been nursed.

So actually drug addiction is not with children it is with parents, it is the lack of the parent care, lack of parent's love which create drug addicts. Nobody is willing accept it even in this conference it is ridiculous to talk like that, because all of you are parents, who want to listen about his own faults. But the fact of the matter is what is a drug? Going into something to fulfill one's own inner emptiness. There is nothing just spacing out, not facing the reality, it means we don't have guts, we don't have stamina, we don't have education, we don't have strength, and then we get strength from outside. When inside strength is not available you have to do something.

I have seen in Hollywood people very successful, they are all addicted to drugs. I have seen very high officers in the corporations and all that, they are all drug addicts. Simply because they are rich and they have authority they are not labeled. And people who are not rich and authoritative are being pushed around for this abuse, are being sentenced, are being prosecuted with the sense that sometime it is very vindictive.

I am very grateful to our neurotic president Reagan, he has come out on the scene 'I am going to eliminate drugs,' neither the price has gone down nor the quality has gone down, what elimination? It's a showbiz, show on the TV, tell people, and waste one vice-president kind of Bush to do something. But nobody wants to work authentically. At the Nixon time, in the early Nixon time pain was felt very bad, then something practical started and America woke up to the fact, America is a pill country, drug is in their genes, there is in their bones, their parents take drugs, their grandparents took it, they can't go away right away, they see mama and papa popping pills, who can stop them. There is a lot required and there is lot many changes have to come.

It's very surprising one person came to me, he said, "I am not going to eat anything, but I want to get rid of this habit of mine."

When I saw his arms I was shocked, there was hardly any place which was not blue. Guy was three piece coat, a great executive, he was ashamed, he lost his marriage, his children ran away, his job was in danger, and he tried many rehabilitation and he was almost on the end of his disaster, he has two alternatives-either I should tell him what to do, if he can't do that he will shoot himself. I told him, "Shooting yourself will not solve the problem, you go ahead do that first and them come to me."

(Students: Laughter.)

He said, "No I have come you first now let us solve it."

I said, "Okay, you have a simple thing to do, you will live on ninety days on carrot juice and nothing else."

He said, "How can I get out of this habit?"

I said, "Don't hell and scream at me, it's your habit, it's your habit, not mine. I am telling you the way to get out of it, carrot, fresh carrot juice and you will enjoy it."

After ninety days he came, I said, "Did you shoot?"

He said, "No."

I said, "What you did?"

He said, "I popped up carrot juice one glass every time, I went into the cold turkey of it, but I am little worried."

I said, "What are you worried for?"

"I am little pale."

I said, "You are becoming carrot, your color is doing good."

(Students: Laughter.)

YB: Anyway he is healthy, he is happy, he has remarried, and children, and he got all his life back, but he is still carrot juice freak, I mean to say it didn't, it do lot but it didn't do much, in the morning he has to get up with a carrot juice, at breakfast there should be carrot juice, and lunch carrot juice is must, in the afternoon tea time is a carrot juice, carrots have been... I told him, I said, "Why don't you hang carrot in front of you."

He said, "What do you mean?"

I said, "Carrot is also, you are addicting to carrot juice. Addiction is addiction. It took care of one addiction, that doesn't mean you are going to take carrot juice all your life, slow down, don't go much after it."

"What should I do?"

I said, "Start celery juice mixing with it."

And I knew it that he is addicted to sugar, carrot juice is sweet. So when fifty, fifty carrot juice and celery juice started coming he started calming down and he realized that really he was addicted. The problem with drugs is that when you tell somebody you are addicted, he will say, "Forget, I am not addicted, I can stop for three days, I can stop for one week." It is not your stopping taking the drugs, it's your mental trauma, When you are even stopping you are living with it. Question is the man should have that kind of food that he...

It is very funny, in this country it is funny for me too. I lived in India thirty-nine years, whenever I ate food I immediately went to a nap whether I like it or not. Fifteen years I came here I have never had that experience, once a while I do get and then I have to cook myself. There is something wrong, there is something wrong, the water is not with all the minerals body requires, I came with thirty-two intact teeth, I think I have left with only twenty-five or twenty-six of them, rest all gone. There is certain fundamental deficiency. You go in Vancouver you will be shocked you can take tap water and put it in your battery, it is like a distilled water, you have not to get distilled water, you might be very happy you are saving money, but actually there are lot of minerals which are in the water, which are required by the body as a fulfilling constituent.

There are lot of variety of foods, there are lot of foods which are required to be in different seasons, there are different season, different foods, different way to prepare, different way to eat, there is a whole science about it. What we have done in Tucson,

(Class clapping.)

We get, we call them clients, we change their diet, we give them the exercise habits, we inspire them, we do give them some counseling and mostly we rely on their own self help. I am not saying the result is hundred percent, but I am willing to say for the time they recognize the fact they want to get it out, result is two hundred percent. It is the pressure of the outside community when they go and face the outside community they lack the support and they get to the emptiness of life again and about ten percent out of them become the victims of this, but to be very honest with you today, I feel as the world is as old it is so is the drug problem and it shall continue, there is no reason to get out of it.

So long the human has not learned to use his and her resources to have a fulfilled competent life, drug shall be the way. I don't see any immediate cause of it and I don't see any way to put a person in lower the esteem of that person so and so addict, so and so is addicted, so and so is not good. Actually to me drug addiction when gets out of control it is where the call of the man to save himself comes to the humanity. And those who believe in compassion, service, will always be available and do it. And those who will do it will be the people who understand that they have time for others and they will like to live for others. It's my conviction that man can live free of drugs all the time, any time, but one has to chose for himself.

Student: My next speaker I like to introduce doctor, Donald (?) Ph.D. director of educational training programs nutrition information systems.

Dr. Donald (?): Thank you, before I go I would like to get a sense of who I am talking to. And I would like to just find out how many of you are treatment people in some sense worked in some treatment center, most of you; counselor, how many of you are counselors? What else do we have, any medical people, psychologist, nurses, what else is there?

Student: Administrator.

Dr. Donald (?): Administrators here, okay. Very quickly my background is a fairly strange one that I have in some way brought together to focus on these issues relating to nutrition. It covers chemistry, and education, nutrition, I am a systems analyst who came out of the computer field and I have also been very involved in the field of human rights and community organizing. So you see with a background like that I am an expert in nothing.

My primary interest is in the effect of nutrition on behavior more specifically, the effect of nutrition on the way the brain functions. The kinds of behaviors that I am in interested in dealing with through nutrition are not only addictive behavior, alcoholic behavior, so called hyperactive behavior in children, schizophrenic behavior, juvenile delinquent behavior, anti-social behavior, and violence. And what we are getting to do is find as we look at new models, many dietary and nutritional variables that are determinants of those kinds of behavior. So it's an issue both with prevention and with treatment.

Now there isn't much of a name for what we do at this point, it's very much on the leading edge, we are developing in a sense new paradigms or new models for the relationship between diet and nutrition variables in behavior. I like to refer to the field as psycho nutrition. I am also involved in stress management, and therefore in the relationship between diet and stress as mediators are the kinds of the behaviors we are talking about.There are couple of basic terms that you hear (?) associated with this and I would like just clarify because there is a lot of confusion about them-one is the term wellness; now why do we use a term like wellness? It's a fashionable term to put an emphasis on the fact we use that instead of help to put an emphasis on the fact that health is something more than just the absence of disease and it is also to dispel the myth that one becomes a victim of disease. One of the difficulties I have with the disease concept of alcoholism although I do believe in it and support it, is that, it does not empower, it does not empower, the major deficit in that concept is that it leaves one with the sense of relative helplessness.

The other terms is holistic that you hear and holistic is a very confusing term too, and my way of understanding is holistic is another way of saying systems, which is another way of saying interconnected, and that is the, I think the one best word that is a synonym to holistic interconnected. If we were to talk about it in a spiritual way we would talk about consciousnessConsciousness The nature of the self and being. In the realm of nature, awareness becomes consciousness. It is from the being itself. Being is expressed in consciousness through contrasts and sensations, in awareness through merger, clarity, and reality. , awarenessAwareness The pure nature of existence; the power to be consciously conscious without an object or need. A fundamental property of the soul and true self; it is Kundalini as it folds and unfolds itself in existence. , sense of relationship to everything.

So the word holistic simply means that we look at things as being interconnected and it has implications with respect to drug addiction. The model that is most prevalent with drug addiction, the etiology that is the cause and effect relationships in drug addiction is the psychosocial model which you know. And this looks as at psychological and sociological determinants of drug addiction and alcoholism as well as other kinds of behavior such as various mental health problems. What we do is look at the other half of the environment and otherwise we look at the biochemical environment, the psychosocial environment is important but we are finding that we in so focusing or ignoring the other half of the world which is the biochemical environment and especially I am talking about the food we eat, the toxins and allergens we are exposed to and the drugs that we take. The biggest problem is the legal drugs. Food, toxins, and drugs represent the biochemical environments.

Now the central question here is when we look at this biochemical environments what is the effect of this biochemical environment with respect to the onset of addiction. The onset as you move from a so called pre-alcoholic, pre-addicted state through the various stages to the state where you become addicted, clinically diagnosed alcoholic or drug addict.

The other question is, what is the effect of these variables nutrition, food, drugs, toxins on recovery. In the recovery stage I introduced a concept that I call high level recovery and I steal this directly from Donald (?) (?) who has written a book entitled 'High level wellness,' where he talks about the various components of wellness. The wellness movement for a reason, many reasons that I am both familiar with and puzzled about has not been introduced into the treatment field. And therapist, treatment specialist have for some reason, not embraced, not looked seriously at the concept of wellness. Particularly the various components of wellness that are most tangible for example nutrition stress management and exercise.

There are many components to wellness, we focus on nutrition and stress management, because we think those are the ones easiest to teach, the ones we can most easily translate, the ones that make the most sensitive people, and the ones that we can most easily do.

The term high level recovery is really a term that I use as a contrast to what most of you in the treatment field see very often that I call a low level recovery if you are dealing with the filed of alcoholism, it is a recovery discovered to as by the so called dry drunk syndrome which I understand some of you are not familiar with, is generally used to describe hangovers that occur when you (?) without a drink, it's the condition that describes sobriety, a person is sober or drug free but not well, not healthy, not functioning. It's characterized by emotional ups and downs, mood swings of personality, a deficit personality swings, moodiness, anxiety, irritability very low physical health profiles etcetera, high level of proneness to various kinds of disease and illness, physical, mental, and emotional.

So we look at prevention and we look at treatment. In treatment high level recovery is not so much in absolute state as it is a direction, it's a place to go, it's a way of embracing the concept of wellness in treatment. In other words, there is more we can do than just being sober or drug-free and how do we do it? How do we develop prevention programs around the idea that biochemical variables are important in the functioning of the brain? I go back to the question of the etiology –oh let's look at the onset question of here that we are looking at what's going on as we go through the stage of becoming addicted.

(Class clapping.)

All hyperactive (?) it's all the same issue basically. When you look at the normal cause and effect relationships and drug addictions we normally talk about the psychological variables, sociological variables, the person has sexual problems, the person has feelings of inadequacy, personality difficulties, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. Pure relationship difficulties and so on, we talk about all these kinds of things in a typical drug addiction.

The emotional difficulty is the difficulties relating to other people are not prime, they are not primary, in other words, we talk about these as if they come from nowhere. When we look at the biochemical model what we are saying is those emotional states that tend to be characteristic of an addictive personality or characteristic of the conditions that lead one to become addicted or alcoholic, or crazy, or schizophrenic, whatever you have are themselves very much related to dietary and nutritional variables, in other words the food we eat, the toxic drugs we are exposed to are determinants of those mental states that can cause us to have psychological difficulties and sociological difficulties, emotional swings, mood swings, etcetera.

The brain is the primary organ in question. We don't discuss the brain out of the context of the whole body but we focus on the brain as being the most fragile organ in the body and the one that most critically depends on diet and nutrition. The brain is responsible for not only emotional states but it is responsible for cognition, that is processing information, accepting information, it's, it's responsible for perception. When we talk about interpersonal relationships as a function of nutrition, what we are talking about is the fact that the way we perceive things around us is again very highly determined by one's metabolic nutritional state in the brain.

Those aspects of perception the way we see, the way we hear, the way the taste, touch, smell, in other words, the way we receive information in total is not independent of the state of the brain and the state of the brain is not independent of what you had for breakfast, or what you ate yesterday, or what you have been eating for the last five years or ten years, and the way your mother ate during the nine prenatal months and in fact, the way she ate even before conception is a variable and your father as well.

So we are talking about these emotional states that are characteristic of the things that lead to addiction or mental health problems, we are talking about these things that can be controlled. And as we look more and more at the chemical environment we find that more and more of these things are related in a more and more direct way to biochemical variables. I give you some examples very quickly; you know, twenty minutes is, is a hell of a short time to present an entire new concept, but I will give you a smattering and obviously we will have some time for questions, one of our speakers is not here, and in the sense that we, I think little extra time... for both of us.

YB: (?) time go ahead.

Doctor: Thank you.

YB: What are you waiting for?

Doctor: I was just...

YB: It's a very captured audience.

Doctor: Thank you, I will finish this off.

We, also in three ways that nutrition and diet are connected to emotional and mental behavioral states. One is the related to a concept known as biochemical individuality or genetically determined nutritional deficiencies or genetically determined biochemical deficiencies. In other words, we are not always same, we are not even close and most of the standard nutritional programs make the assumption that we are roughly the same, in other words, that the average diet provides adequate nutrition for most of our needs; can't be true, it's nonsense, it's farthest thing from the true. We are biochemically very different, this means that some of us are born with the need for may be a hundred or even a thousand times more of some particular nutrient than another person or enzyme or something else. And the person who eats the average diet, you may eat the average diet and it will satisfy you, you may eat the average diet and you will be a hundred times deficient compared to this person, depending on your inherited biochemistry.

So the idea is that we use this notion of mega vitamin therapy which is a subset of a field known as orthomolecular medicine, that simply says we have got to find a way to give the right amounts of nutrients into the body to satisfy those nutritionally determined deficiencies or genetically determined deficiencies. You may have to take high amounts of vitamin C, high amounts of certain B vitamins, high amounts of certain minerals, and I am not suggesting it is the replacement for food and I am not suggesting that nutrition is the entire answer, but it's the major missing piece in my opinion. So the orthomolecular approach, the mega vitamin approach is one determinant, one way of associating nutrition with behavior. Deficiencies in the B vitamins for example very characteristically produce anxiety, loss of memory, depression, irritability, mood swings, and the whole host of other emotional and mental difficulties as well as physical.

Blood sugar: Instabilities in blood sugar are another major nutritional area that affects the way the brain functions. The brain is the most critical organ in the body when it comes to blood sugar. Blood sugar levels ultimately determine how good you feel. And we are consuming sugar in this country which tends to produce these blood sugar fluctuations, it tends to be a major factor in the onset, sugar is a major stress to the body, we are eating a hundred and thirty pounds per person per year, that means forty-two teaspoons per person per day, that's average consumption, that means that we find children very easily who are eating a hundred teaspoons of sugar a day and that wouldn't even be so bad if they didn't (?) the amount (?) as the average adult, (?) we are finding kids were eating forty-two teaspoons a day, who only weigh sixty pounds and you add that to the fact that they are not consuming real food to any degree that might offset that.

So blood sugar fluctuations are major determinants of emotional states as well and mental state, and physical as well. There are some two hundred mental, physical, and emotional symptoms associated with what we normally call hypoglycemia, I don't like to use that term, it's little bit inaccurate and it's a little bit (?), but blood sugar fluctuations which involves the entire endocrine system is what I am talking about; the pancreas, the adrenals glands, pituitary, the thyroid, the hypothalamus, the appetite, emotional controls (?) in the back of the brain, so all of those are involved.

The other area is what I call brain allergies, central nervous system allergies; it's very curious that alcoholics who are allergic to bourbon for example are also allergic to the things from which bourbon is made, namely corn is one of the most common. And if you are allergic to something, you very often are addicted to it. So that the whole issue of eating disorders is very much related to drinking disorders, and drug disorders, and we see that the allergy addiction connection is a big factor again in the brain functioning.

So I have got three things that I am talking about here that relate nutrition to behavior. The genetically determined needs for high amounts of nutrients, that is the orthomolecular approach. The blood sugar fluctuations, the entire issue of maintaining blood sugar level within normal ranges, not too high, not too low, the only way to treat blood sugar fluctuations is through diet.

And the last is the central nervous system allergies: This says that we take substances into our body that react in an allergic like way and I say allergic like because it isn't necessarily formal allergy as the doctors understand it, it creates symptoms that again can be physical, mental, or emotional. So we traditionally understand allergy from the point of view of immunology to produce rashes, (?), itchy eyes, you know what's all about, you get that in spring, you get it any time if you are something allergic to but it goes beyond that, it goes to systemic physical problems like headaches or fatigue, it goes into mental systemic mental problems that produce the emotional difficulties I am talking about. Problems in perception, moodiness, and so on, depression. So again there is a determinant there. Now what we do?

In addition to nutrient therapy... Now depending on the willingness of a person to do what needs to be done, we can go very mildly with some therapy, may be some people only willing to take vitamins, that is a piece of it. May be some people willing to change their diets. May be some people willing to change their diets in some drastic ways. May be some people are willing to go all the way over to the kinds of therapy that you see with Yogiji's program where people are put on juice therapies, raw foods, and other kinds of therapies that seem to the average person to be extreme, so we have here in the issue of what a person is willing to do and we have got some cultural and sociological problems here because they see those kinds of things as too far out.

If I will give you two major guidelines and then I'll finish with this, so we can have some questions. If I were to present you with too much of guidelines for how to eat in a way that is comparable with people living in Chicago, people living in New York city, people living in Boston, people living anywhere, it is one, try to develop a diet that is minimal in fastest food and by fastest food I mean any the (?) the food that's changed in any way from the way it grows. And of course the major problem is with processed food or white flour, white sugar, white rice, white pasta, etc, etc. So too much, too much processed food. I would say that we have to balance and center the diet, now we have been told since day one that we should eat a balanced diet but balance what? I mean what do we balance, what is that we are balancing? We don't know.

There is an interesting oriental perspective on nutrition and I find this to be extremely useful in combination with the western perspective. The eastern perspective talks about food in terms of balance. Fastest is (?) trying to balance things. Here's what they do very quickly, is all food is categorized into three groups and you can imagine these three groups being placed on a seesaw, one group on this extreme, one group on this extreme, one group in the middle. The group on this extreme consist of saw and animal food, meat, eggs, some other cheeses. That's over here, on this end of the seesaw, so that's going to push the seesaw down over here if you eat too much of those foods.

On the other extreme, we have what I call fractionated foods, synthetic foods, extracts of food, for example, drugs, alcohol, caffeine, your highly sugared junk foods, your not very unsubstantial food, your very synthetic foods, that's on that extreme. You eat too much of those food, it pushes off the seesaw down on that end. In the middle guess what we have. What's left?

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Doctor: What's the good stuff?

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Doctor: (?) what else? More general, give me a general category.

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Doctor: More general.

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Doctor: Plant food, the food that grows from the ground, that is the other six of the eight food groups. Two we have, dairy, meat, the other six grains, legumes, nuts, seeds, vegetables and fruits. Those are the central foods, now what's this mean? Look, if we consume a lot of food in this extreme it tips the scale this way, right, the body has a natural tendency towards balance or as we call in medicine, homeostasis. Homeostasis requires that we go back to balance somehow, in other words, if we eat too much food over here we are going to crave something over here, so that we can pull it back to balance. If we eat lot of meat and (?) we are going to crave either sugar, or alcohol, or drugs, or caffeine, or nicotine, or something. And if we too much of that we are going to crave some meat, and eggs, and so on and nice breakfast after a (?) eggs, (?) salty potatoes to balance that out.

The problem is that most of us balance extremes. The average American diet with that forty-two teaspoons of sugar a day and forty-five percent of our calories being in the form of fat and consuming roughly three hundred pounds of meat per person per year tends to put us on the extremes and we constantly balance in the extremes like having one food in hot coals, one food in ice water and on the average we are comfortable but it is certainly not a way to balance. So the idea is that not only must we balance our diets we must center the diet.

Centering the diet means moving away from the extremes towards the middle, the more we move towards the middle the more centered we become. That means the more centered becomes our personality, the more our moods swings tend not to occur. In other words, people who eat on the extremes you can very often characterize in terms of swings, in mood swings, in disease swings and personality etcetera.

So the two rules really eating food that is mostly unprocessed and trying to get your diet from the extremes towards the middle, the both of the standard American diet consist of foods on the extremes and I suggest that, that is not only a major problem in the onset of addiction and other kinds of behavior problems consuming those kinds of diet, especially in the face of all the stress and pollution that we have to face but it's a major missing factor in the entire treatment, profession treatment, professionals have not taken nutrition seriously and I address that issue. I hope you all got one of the handout because I did address that to some extent in the handout the fact that nutrition has not been taken seriously in the therapeutic community and I listed a number of reasons why I thought that was true and I won't spend time on that now, if there is some questions, we can talk about that but it's (?) and I would like to stop.

Class clapping.

Doctor: Thank you.

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Doctor: It's not there.

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Doctor: It's somewhere about the two-thirds (?). You might be looking at the references, it's two pages there, if you look at the other side.

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Doctor: High level wellness by Donald (?).

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Doctor: (?) test for minerals and (?) you do it by cutting some hair from the back of the neck you send (?) for analysis and you can determine what your minerals levels are in the last several months. It's (?) reliable, it's not foolproof and like any laboratory test it's not diagnostic, in other words, it gives you some clues to work with. The cytotoxic testing you are talking about for allergies, is again a fairly reasonable method but I have a problem with it because it's too locked into the medical model and I think it's not holistic enough in the sense that it does not represent necessarily the real world, in other words, the way we eat food. Just the way you test for allergies by giving some kind of provocative test, you put something that you may be allergic to rubbing on the skin or you put it under the tongue or you inject it, and then you say well, that person is allergic (?) that we act and I think that is reasonable but you know it's not the real world, so we have got some problems there in the (?).

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Doctor: That is basically what's behind everything I have been talking about and I don't want to get into the chemistry of it but essential yes neurotransmitters are the things that make the brain work, the chemicals that make the brain work and those things are highly determined by dietary variables, yes and primarily yes, the amino acids and B vitamins, you know especially tryptophine and tyrosine.

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Doctor: No, I am not suggesting that the studies are as clear as we would like to have them, but what we do suggest is that yes the health of the sperm is an issue, that health of the sperm is a variable. All cells can exist in various states of health, including egg cells and sperm cells. So sperm cells that are in a state of not optimum health can influence the final product, can influence the fertilization process, therefore the growth.

YB: They do, there is a, there is a ancient book I had it luckily I didn't bring it with me from India, there is a whole science of it, how to create a sperm and all that and I studied it, my marriage day, my birth of one son, and birth of my daughter is exactly the same day and I only goofed on one child, I studied that. My idea was...

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YB: My idea was that I wanted to celebrate the marriage and birth of all the children on the same day.

(Students: Laughter.)

That's what my planning was.

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YB: No things, things went wrong because under circumstances I was in a job where I had to, I had no control on the my environments and my environments changed, but in other two cases my environments were under my control, I was a senior officer, I could control my environments, control my diet, control my way of life, and it was perfect. And I am talking to you a life span of one ten to twelve years and if you are determined to do certain things you can and unhealthy spermatozoa is as bad news as unhealthy egg.

That's why in the spiritual sense when our children are born in 3HO children they are all different, they are totally different, they are Americans but they are different, they are not American in any sense, they are more calm, more quiet, more intelligent, because what we do is when the pregnancy happens people meditate, people eat healthy, and at the hundred twentieth day we do not allow the woman to do anything but all good things she can do to herself to raise her spirit. And there is a tremendous difference, it is not all the more great difference, but tremendous difference between the normal children and 3HO children, I am watching it very patiently myself but it is only ten years ago we have started. And I think in if God gives me more little life, in ten, twenty years we will be in a position to understand that it is the commitment of the father and it's the love of the mother which make the saint, not the religion.

Doctor: It's difficult to really pin it down to the exact dietary variables, but what is involved may be mutagenic changes that can be in some way socially with diet where you actually see in the cells some change that can be traced back possibly to dietary variables or may be traced to radiation that you did not protect yourself against because your body was nutritionally weak.

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YB: Sometime they get in.

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YB: Yeah, I had a person, I had a person, I am working on that person now, that person is in Canada, he was so allergic, he was so allergic, he was so allergic to everything, he couldn't enter his room, he couldn't sleep on a bed, they tested him out. Finally medically he was supposed to sleep under the tree. When I got a phone call that is his medical history, it is recorded history I can give you the address and name and you can further enquire, he called me and he said, "My situation is that I have to live under a tree, I can't breathe." And he used to swell up, you know the total body swell up and they put in a hospital, gave him drugs, take care of him, send it back home and again the same thing happened. I put him in a very diet; eggplant with certain kind of stuff you can call them, what they call them?

Student: Spices.

YB: Spices. And I said, "This is your diet for forty days and nothing else."

The guy is working, he lives. There is also a arrangement where you can immune yourself from these, what you call them symptom kind of you get, when summer comes in, you have that...

Student: (----).

YB: Hay fever, and this and that and then finally you are allergic to touch... There is another guy he is allergic, he was allergic to the touch of his wife.

(Students: Laughter.)

Now he is all right, it's not, it is... I think sometime you get too much into the mental, too much into the physical, and too much into all that stuff, but basically I have seen there is a possibility of immunity from allergies, from drugs, from swings, and moods, and all that kind of stuff. But I definitely I have seen practically one thing I can say, God works and diet works, and everything else is a byproduct.

Student: (----).

Doctor: I don't, but if you were to drop me a line I could send you some information on that and my address is in materials (?). Yeah I'd be happy to do that. There are several places they do, one is in California.

Student: (----).

Doctor: If you are allergic to it, you are addicted to it.

Student: That's right.

Doctor: Yes.

Student: If you are allergic to (?).

Doctor: It's a little bit lengthy to explain it, but I'll try to do in a nutshell. When you first experience something that as a negative reaction in your body for example cigarettes, the first time you smoke a cigarette, what happened, you coughed and what else?

Student: (----).

Doctor: Yeah, dizzy maybe. First time you had a drink, what happened?

YB: Same thing.

Doctor: Same thing may be. First time you breathed some poison air, what happened? May be same thing. After a while you acclimate, you continue it in spite of bad taste because you have social pressure, so you continue or you have other pressures and eventually it converts from a negative reaction to a reaction where you feel good. Cigarette feels good, the drink feels good, you might like to sniff gasoline fumes, you feel good. At that point when you don't get what you are addicted to or allergic to originally you start to experience what? Withdrawal symptoms.

YB: Cold turkey.

Doctor: Cold turkey, withdrawal symptoms are defined by the fact that when you take that substance again cigarette, drink, whatever drug, you remove the withdrawal symptoms. That's why it is called an addiction, so what I am saying is that something that you are initially allergic to over period of time becomes an addiction. Now that period of time varies depending on what it is, and who it is, etcetera, etcetera.

So the difficulty with food allergies by the way is that you don't know that you are allergic to food, you know, you don't know you are addicted to them, you know you are addicted a drug, you know what you are doing, you choose to take the drug, but with the food it's difficult, so we have to do a lot of trial, and error and testing and see what food might be causing the trouble.

The most common things that ones we look for first-milk, dairy products, corn, chocolate, some meat, some grains, but there is a long list.

Student: (----).

YB: Forty days, there is a forty days kind of a... you go on a fast mono diet it starts with melon and watermelon and it goes on and cleanse process by process area by area, you come out of it totally clean.

Student: (----).

YB: I think what our experience is that works. I believe the best thing is that something should work, than to go into the depth of the philosophy at. I know basically any woman as a child who is uptight with her father in direct way or indirect way is going to uptight with her husband in indirect way or direct way, so when somebody a husband comes to me he said, "My wife is freaking out."

And I don't say, "Well, she should not, I send her in."

I never tell her what she wants to do with her husband, I start saying, "Well, when you were three year old, what you did to your father, do you like him, dislike him?" And it takes about seven, eight minutes to find it out where the pin is pinching, take the pin out, husband send you a good gift.

(Students: Laughter.)

That same with body.

Doctor: If the watermelon fast is not something that you can get your people to do, then I mean, there are many approaches and really, basically comes down to what the patient is willing to do and it's an organizational or administrative question of what the treatment center is willing to establish this policy. So it comes down to the policy question.

Student: (----).

Doctor: Yes, yes there is a whole spectrum things that can be done, I mean I would think watermelon fasting or juice fasting is on that end of the spectrum. I'll tell you something that's on the other end of the spectrum. Some researchers' name (?) work using something called ascorbic acid or ascorbic which is essential form of vitamin C using it in outrageously high doses compared to what is necessary as a nutrient, basically what they are doing at that point is pharmacology, but essentially they have been able to take people through with totally basically symptom free and it did it fairly consistently. Now you ask me if that's true why hasn't the therapeutic community jumped on it and why has not this been publicized to a larger extent and...

YB: Don't worry.

Doctor: I can give you many reasons. We don't want it to be painless, we don't want that belief system, we don't want to hear something that simple the drug, people, the doctors, etcetera do not want that kind of model based on that kind of simplicity, because it isn't what they were taught in medical school. So on the other extreme there is that kind of therapy that seems to work.

The diet during withdrawal should be very high vitamin supplements, should be a diet that minimizes the foods that tend to inhibit recovery such as high sugar, high caffeine, high nicotine, fastest food, white flour, all of those things should be eliminated to whatever extent possible. You should incorporate real food and that real food can take the form of grains and vegetables, even meat may be, but as you move to a more and more pure diet, it will begin to take the form of vegetables, may be fruits and then eventually on the far side fruit juices, mono diet fasting. So really there is an entire spectrum. It depends on what the patient is willing to do, it depends on the policy establish and treatment center and what I emphasize that part of the difficulty here is that treatment centers have not been willing to take these issues seriously and have not established a policy that relates to that.

Student: (----).

YB: No, no it is not, it is wrong here. Listen, it is not.

Student: (----).

YB: Oh! wait, wait, wait it is not watermelon, it is three days melon, three days watermelon, three days lemon, water, and honey, three days only water and lemon, then three days only water and then you reverse yourself. You have to understand in the world today, three thousand years ago a book was written on food, foods were divided into three areas,-satvik, rajvas, thamus. Satviks are those who shall keep you happy doesn't matter what. Thamus are those who will energize you and give you the push you need, thamus will give you the need to fulfill your desire, doesn't matter what and they have been classified and it is not something which is different. And that is how actually the medicine started, that is how the food started, food was the medicine.

We definitely know when you have a cough, cold, and all that there are lot of medicine available and you definitely have them. To me taking this what the thing call? Saffron?

Student: (----).

YB: Saffron and pistachio nuts boiled in hot milk, just one glass can work all the purpose and save you thirty-five dollars seeing a doc, so it is a situation what you want to prefer, it's a question what you want to believe, it's a question what you are ready for. I have seen a absolutely a fanatic western crawling in India for getting cured by ayurvedic system and I have seen a fanatic Indian coming to Houston getting cured of his cancer by surgery and all that. So the question is when you meet the end, then you are willing to do everything, in-between people are not willing to adapt to the easy process of curing themselves.

Doctor: You can read about some of that what he is describing is the ayurvedic system and one of the books I have listed called diet and nutrition by Valentine discusses those variables, that is another system of nutrition. There are many system of nutrition around the world, the one that I was describing in terms of balance comes from the oriental perspective, it comes from eastern Indian perspective and others.

Student: Why in think this always puzzles me and I guess anyone that works with (?) have ever done any family counseling, I have always wondered why myself get involved in drugs of those the other members with in my family. Okay, now, listening to a lot of things which you said about diet and nutrition, I was wondering if any surveys or any type of, anything has been done in terms of (?) in a family and evaluating and finding about the nutritional intake of particular family members within a family to sort of give emphasis to that question.

Doctor: It's on my drawing board. The answer is that there has been very little of that done, there has been more of it done in the field of alcoholism, you know, there has been a lot of work on alcoholism in a family and we do know that alcoholism is described more or less as a family disease. So are the attendant illnesses, that we call them illnesses, such as hypoglycemia, (?) problems and so on.

Student: (----).

Doctor: Yes, yes, yes, what seems to be involved here is the fact that what is common among families is a peculiar biochemistry.

Student: (----).

Doctor: Now, just the way the family is made to look alike physically they may also internally look alike, the chemistries may be similar. You even may also have one very different but it tends to be the same. So you may tend to find families behaving in the same way for many reasons, one reason may be similar genetics, and other may be similar genetics that is expressed in the chemistry that says okay, we are going to behave in a certain way and also families tend to eat the same way.

Student: (----).

Doctor: That's why you are different bio...

YB: Metabolism.

Doctor: Different metabolism, different chemistries and you also may have different psychosocial pressures too, different relationships but your chemistry may be different and it can be explained at least to some extent on that basis.

Student: (----).

Doctor: Well I hope so, I hope so.

Student: (----).

Doctor: There is some literature of..., I think if you begin reading some of the references that I put at the end of the paper you will begin to start getting a sense of that kind of stuff and I can't point specifically to any research done in drug addiction that talks about family characteristics, but I have a pretty clear sense of it and I think after a while we start to see more on this, so that is as far as I can go with that for you.

Student: (----).

Doctor: To determine nutritional status? There are certain blood tests that are available but in my opinion they are very few that work with them because, for several reasons; first of all they are based, lot of them are based on a fairly again allopathic medical model, otherwise traditional western medical model. You can get some information from them but it tends to be very incomplete. Some of the problems are related to the fact that what is in your blood has nothing to do with what's going on the rest of your body. Now there is a real question with nutritional status, nutrients status in the body is that you may find certain levels of vitamin C etcetera, etcetera in the blood, but has nothing to do with tissue saturation which is the real issue.

And under conditions of stress for example the adrenal glands are almost always exhausted of vitamin C, the most vitamin C is stored in the adrenal glands. The adrenal glands are what happens in the Fight or Flight syndrome when you are under stress and as they are under stress they tend to become depleted of vitamin C and therefore don't work well and that's why we can't handle the stress on and on.

So nutrients in the body are not reflected necessarily by what's in the blood, so that's one of the problems. There is a laboratory in Washington state, that is beginning to develop more sophisticated testing and they are beginning to sell that system out around the country and this person's name is Jaffery Blind, BLIND, he is at the university of (?) and they are developing clinical systems there, that is based on a kind of testing in scientific approach but he is not totally crazy on the medical scientific end.

He is an Ex-MD student who got very angry with the fact that he was being taught that diet would provide adequate nutrients and one of his students challenged him one day and insisted on the fact that he was wrong, forced him to go library after which he had to come back and apologize to the students, changed his course, became a (?), and he is now in my opinion one of the best lecturers in nutritional biochemistry in the world and if you can get in touch with some of his things I think you will find in my opinion some of the most sophisticated work going on, in the area being able to test nutritional status.

Student: (----).

Doctor: But it's (?).

Student: What you are saying really makes sense to me just in terms of the literature on it and personal experience around the biochemical and eating I mean from the personal habits of myself from the last ten years that being vegetarian fasting and what not, but for balance I guess like anything else like (?)and somehow that bad part can be left out where we just look at putting in a (?) nutrients and what the body is chemically made up of and for me a large part of that is what one who believes and (?) about fasting before eating. I think it's beyond what you chemically on, (?) where are you psychically and spiritually around what you are going to with your system and that is influential for me, I am personalizing but, beyond the personal it's also like experience, professionally, that is a (?) chemical and the nutrient part, and if it is not present with that kind of balance I think one could be saying that as long that (?) is (?) my diet and find out what I am chemically made of, that is going to help or you go the other extreme and it's a balance before you choose for me, I mean it's like right brain, left brain...(?) Doctor: Yes.

Student: That you can talk about (?) really essence of (?).

Doctor: I appreciate that and to emphasize that as I said earlier nutrition is hardly the whole answer. I think it's the biggest missing piece and I also if you take what is a holistic approach is I defined it earlier is that all things are connected and you simply can't leave out the spiritual dimension be complete and you are right...

YB: Food is not important, also you eat anything but it also there is a one very fundamental line, eat only and eat all which comes out of you also in twenty-four hours and that part we all forget, I know eat there is a best food, I go to a restaurant it is best this, best this but I never think of it that when it is going to come out.

Doctor: So it must come out in twenty-four hours.

YB: It must come, that is call satvik food.

Student: Yes sir.

YB: You eat all that what you want and eat as much you can but must see it must come out. The question arises, the question ask the teacher, student ask the teacher, "How can I know?"

He said, "At the end of the food eat little beets."

And you always know when they come out because beets always bring the red color. So this is how you can judge, you eat today green food, totally green and then for rest of the time eat nothing green, but something else and you can watch out sometime it takes four, five days for green food for you to come and thirty million American take laxative to just clear themselves out and you call them healthy, it's impossible to believe. That is one of the greatest setback I have seen in life.

Doctor: I agree, the American diet is so low in fiber that some people are taking not only two days, three days but up to a week or more to eliminate the food or the waste from the food they eat if it is eliminated at all, we find people with materials impacted in the colon that have been there for years. And the diet is so low in fiber and you get fiber by eating those foods from the center of the balance scale what I talked about. The most important sources of fiber, in fact the only sources are whole grains, foods and vegetables and in the studies on that are so clear, they were done by comparing Africans with English men in a rather extensive study and in the African diet there was an average of about twenty-eight grams of fiber intake per day. In the diets of the English men and comparable with those of Americans you got about five grams of fiber per day, and the things that are associated with a low fiber diet very clearly resembles no dispute are cancer of the colon, hemorrhoids, constipation, diverticulosis, cholesterol levels, lobitis and varicose veins and it's going to be simplest things that you can do to begin correcting your diet to eliminate some of those. Some people believe that eighty percent of all disease begins in the colon, there is that healing system that is based on cleansing the colon, a reasonable thing to do.

YB: Once a person came to me and he was constipated, he tried almost lot of things which doctor gave him, couldn't work. I told him that green stuff, what we call it?

Student: (----).

YB: Aah.

Student: (----).

YB: Chlorophyll, I told him to take about four ounces straight. He took four ounces straight, he called me he said, "Nothing happened."

I said, "Well, you need a surgery."

He got another four ounces and he moved. Can you believe that four ounces chlorophyll couldn't do a thing?

Doctor: Those of you in treatments centers, I would like to really raise the question of how do, I mean what do you see as the problems what you see some of the obstacles, issues in translating what we have been talking about into treatment, I think that's the critical issue here for most of you, what we do about getting this into treatment, how do we change the model by which treatment centers develop policy?

Student: When we get (?) and treatment or there is a high correlation between the abusive drugs and the smoking of cigarettes and drinking the coffee everybody I think it works in the therapeutic community, conventional therapeutic community recognizes that the, I think the incidents of smoking even goes up as somebody is coming (?) drug dependency and as soon as we settle and (?) we find it so difficult to deal with people relative to the drugs that if we have to have them stop smoking or retention would be maybe an hour and a half and they would be running to the streets as perfect maniacs.

So we have a sense of resolve that they are going to continue these unhealthy things but let's deal with this thing and also the drinking of important sources specially interested in, I think did you ask the (?) question (?) about, somebody asked a question (?) that when someone is coming (?) diet (?) indicate or someone who is withdrawing I would suspect that based on your prescription almost the total diet would be contraindicated in terms of intake relative to coffee and smoking.

Doctor: No, no, not necessarily because I think that you are right, I think if you have to do some (?) I think we have to be realistic about(?), of withdrawal and I don't think you can really (?) expect someone coming off drugs or alcohol to (?) same time (?), but I think we have to not do it unconsciously, I think that's is the key thing is to be conscious about what is happening there and deal with those things eventually. Eventually the alcoholic has to deal with sugar, eventually with caffeine, and so on.

Student: (?) we enforce as what you said before about being addicted to those things to which you are allergic.

Doctor: Yes.

Student 1: Because if one accepts that one is allergic to high sugar foods, especially one is withdrawn, there is a phenomena (?) checking when you are coming (?) and checking in (?) when I was...

Yes, certainly years when I started was checking everybody was rushing to get cup cakes instead when they are coming (?) heroin.

Student 2: (?) information we have been working with (?) and a lot of other people using drugs and we take them off the drug as well as the caffeine, (?) and sugar all at once and we provide them with good tasty food and if anything you can get them addicted to those foods and they enjoy them tremendously and they don't have any problem with it.

Doctor: (?) constitutionally somewhat different than we suspect and we perhaps handle things that you handle in a more superficial fashion and doesn't permit us to get approved that message and may we have to learn from you is what I am saying.

Student 2: Yeah, because you know, I feel that ninety-nine percent of our people smoke cigarettes, and drink coffee sugar the whole thing and if you can replace good tasty foods and the herbs and exercises and keeping them busy keeping them active, it works and it's not difficult.

Doctor: If they accept that.

Student: Well, they accept.

YB: Oh! with us you know there is no alternative.

(Students: Laughter.)

With you it is, you are talking of a common makeup, the guy comes in, he go to go through it, and if he wants not too, the door is open and there is no toll tax.

Doctor: Yes you can...

Student: Excuse me, I have to say, we are exactly, excuse me, we are exactly a half an hour over okay and this has been (?) inviting in treating.

YB: Given them...

Student: (?) I do not want to stop your question okay but can we make way for may be one more and then we...

YB: No, no one is enough.

Student: One is enough, okay.

(Students: Laughter.)

Student: (?) in treatment, the male and the female, they both have the same diet, what I have seen in the years is that the female is very easy to gain a lot of weight, where the male doesn't, (?).

YB: With the same food they both don't...

Doctor: That one gains.

YB: Oh! yeah I can send you something, female calls herself to be a human, but that's a different specie all together, and so is the male. I can tell you very funny thing, in the period of menstruation of those four days whatever you eat sits with you, you don't do a thing. There are lot of other things which we are experimenting. We teach women training camp and they will come about two hundred, two and fifty women and we give them different foods, we clean them out. We take, we teach them and we counsel them all that, but basically I tell you it is a hypocrisy, we have a definite food for those women for that definite period of six weeks and it serve them the whole year and it's a fact.

Ten days we have a summer solstice, we have a mono diet and nobody can steal in any food it is every van is checked and all that. All 3HO people for that for six months work it out, six months, ten days food, but it's a compulsory, there is no way out, and they have to have that mono diet.

Diet has a miraculous effects on the body, mind, and the scale of the person, but it is difficult to inject it. But if you ever get a chance you are the best, last question over. Thanks a lot.

Student: (----).

Doctor: (?) are the attendance sheet and did everyone get the handouts?

Student: I thank you the panel...

Doctor: (?).

Class clapping.

Student: Okay and the audience for the participation.

YB: You were very good. Thank you.


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